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Doing daytrips from the Netherlands to Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg and France


I will be based in Rotterdam for two weeks, but if I wish to do a cross border day trip by Thaley's to Brussels, Cologne or elsewhere, do I need to carry my passport on me etc?

I am a dual UK / Danish Citizen and travel with both.
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Beste antwoord door Miriam NS 5 maart 2017, 16:48

Hi Andre Pettersson, all Dutch citizens from the age of 14 are required to be able to show a valid identity document when the police or other enforcement officers ask for identification. I do adivce you to take your passport with you. Here you can find more information about this topic.
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As a foreigner you need to have one of your two passports with you.
Hi Andre Pettersson, all Dutch citizens from the age of 14 are required to be able to show a valid identity document when the police or other enforcement officers ask for identification. I do adivce you to take your passport with you. Here you can find more information about this topic.
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An international train ticket will be personally (with your name on it). The train manager is allowed to ask for your passport to check if the right person is using the right ticket.
The reason why I asked was that I thought that in the Schengen area, all EU Citizens could travel passport free across borders.
You can travel without a visa, you need to carry your passport.

For instance in Holland every citizen has to show his ID on request of the police (although the police is only allowed to ask for it for a reason)
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Also in Germany, France and Belgium an ID is compulsary.
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The reason why I asked was that I thought that in the Schengen area, all EU Citizens could travel passport free across borders.
That's a misconception perpetuated by ill-informed British media.
The Schengen agreement means that you can travel from one country to another without showing a passport at the border. But you still have to carry ID according to local legislation. In most countries it's compulsory to carry ID at all times. In NL it's compulsory for anyone over the age of 14.
I see.It's a different system in the UK. People do not need to carry national ID cards as the electorate feel it's a question of civil liberties and a big brother / nanny state etc.

Should I therefore carry my passport on me at all times in NL even if I am a dual UK / Danish, yet EU Citizen etc?
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By Dutch law you are obliged to show your passport or identity card if they ask for it. If you don't this will result in a €90,- fine. If they can't confirm your identity you will be arrested.

So yes, bring your passport.

To clarify: officialy you don't have to carry it with you, but you do need to show it if a Policemen or conductor asks you for it.
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Yes, you should carry it. In the Netherlands you will be escorted to the local police office where they will investigate your identity if you have no ID with you. Next to that you will get a fine of €90.
Many thanks for that. So to clarify, the law applies to all citizens of all countries in the world, whether EU / EEA or non EU / EEA, as opposed to just Dutch and / or Benelux Citizens?

Not knowing the local law is still not considered an adequate defence.
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Every countries law is for all people in it. Not only for its own citizens. So yes Dutch law applies to everyone in the country, including tourists etc.
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In most EU countries it's compulsory for anyone to carry ID at all times. At least in Belgium, Germany, France, Netherlands. That's the main reason why all these countries issue national ID cards, which duplicate as valid ID when travelling anywhere in the EU/EEA/CH.

Since the Dutch ID card is quite a bit cheaper than a full passport, it's considered to be a good alternative for people that never travel outside the EU/EEA/CH + Turkey.

More information about the Schengen Area and documents here:
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/index_en.htm

Here in NL you also need show ID when you go to a hospital. The ID check is there to make sure no-one else is using your health insurance card.
Thanks for clarifying. Only Embassy staff or personnel of certain international organisations have diplomatic immunity from national / supranational laws.
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That is correct, but the embassy staff will never travel with public transportation due to security reasons.
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Thanks for clarifying. Only Embassy staff or personnel of certain international organisations have diplomatic immunity from national / supranational laws.
I don't see any reason why Embassy staff would be exempt from carrying ID in a country where it's compulsory to carry ID at all times.

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